[SystemSafety] Fwd: Safety of vulnerable road users: UK
RICQUE Bertrand (SAGEM DEFENSE SECURITE)
bertrand.ricque at sagem.com
Mon Nov 17 11:03:46 CET 2014
This is right, but strictly professional discussions seem to me a bit austere and I appreciate, in a moderate volume, considerations and digressions that build ties and friendship between individuals sharing common concerns. After all we are humans only, should not take ourselves and our jobs too seriously. Its maybe more professional to keep some distance with our profession.
Bertrand Ricque
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Optronics and Defence Division
Sights Program
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From: Nancy Leveson [mailto:leveson.nancy8 at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 10:59 AM
To: RICQUE Bertrand (SAGEM DEFENSE SECURITE)
Cc: Peter Bernard Ladkin; systemsafety at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] Fwd: Safety of vulnerable road users: UK
Bertrand,
Thank you for your kind words. I would be happy to host a list that is more limited in its focus. But this one seems to get beyond engineering and into things that are just too irrelevant to me. I don't design bicycle helmets (and I doubt anyone on the list does) and discussions about what language is used in technical papers also seems out of the scope. I have not seen any posts for a very long time that actually dealt with system safety engineering.
Nancy
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 4:39 AM, RICQUE Bertrand (SAGEM DEFENSE SECURITE) <bertrand.ricque at sagem.com<mailto:bertrand.ricque at sagem.com>> wrote:
It would be a pity Nancy. Your (too rare) contributions are highly valuated and often discussed in our (French) workgroups.
Bertrand Ricque
Program Manager
Optronics and Defence Division
Sights Program
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From: systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de<mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de> [mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de<mailto:systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de>] On Behalf Of Nancy Leveson
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To: Peter Bernard Ladkin
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Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] Fwd: Safety of vulnerable road users: UK
Peter Ladkin wrote:
>>Unless you take an interest in primary-school-age kids and road safety in a Northern-European road environment, as I do, I agree this tidbit is unlikely to be interesting.
So you are suggesting that those who reject bogus, unscientific surveys that are biased in what they ask so that they get the answers they want to hear are heartless people who do not care about children's safety?
I think it is time for me to get off this list. There is too little useful and correct information about system safety. Please remove me.
Nancy
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:52 AM, Peter Bernard Ladkin <ladkin at rvs.uni-bielefeld.de<mailto:ladkin at rvs.uni-bielefeld.de>> wrote:
I didn't expect anyone to take those numbers at face value. Live and learn!
What the numbers mean, for those to whom it is not evident, is that almost half the children asked
thought they could remember a time when they were afraid they were in conflict with a car and in
danger of getting hit.
Unless you take an interest in primary-school-age kids and road safety in a Northern-European road
environment, as I do, I agree this tidbit is unlikely to be interesting. (Yes, I did notice this is
a tautology :-) )
PBL
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