[SystemSafety] Language issues, control systems

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On 27 Apr 2015, at 16:29, M Mencke <menckem at gmail.com<mailto:menckem at gmail.com>> wrote:


Also I think for most systems the initial product is usually developed for operator use in a single language,

Alas, in almost all of my experiences of this in the last several years, the initial product - that is the documentation product developed for operator use - has not been written by a person capable of writing good English.
Fortunately, however, the text is seldom likely to be misunderstood, being is so bad that it is far more likely not to be understood to mean anything at all.

If people with the same language capability wrote in two languages, well ...




subsequent to which a company may expand to international markets. If it has a long history of use its country of origin, I think it could reasonably be assumed that the issues of analysing meaning and ambiguities in the source language have already been dealt with, although I admit that this may not always be the case. Regards, Myriam.

El 27/04/2015 17:19, <andy at the-ashworths.org<mailto:andy at the-ashworths.org>> escribió:
In a single language case, you need the assurance that the natural language conveys the desired meaning.

In the dual-language case, you need the assurance that each natural language conveys the desired meaning. Should there be an additional consideration to ensure consistency of the two languages, i.e. if both were translated to a third language they would result in the same meaning.

Andy


Martyn Thomas <martyn at thomas-associates.co.uk<mailto:martyn at thomas-associates.co.uk>> wrote ..
> Why is this different from the single language case? In either
> situation, do you not need assurance that the natural language conveys
> the desired meaning to the relevant humans?
>
> Martyn
>
> On 27/04/2015 15:19, M Mencke wrote:
> > Or to put things simply: Imagine you are developing a product in
> > England for a client in "anywhere" (Russia, France, China, anywhere)
> > and this client wants the system to be usable by human operators both
> > in English and in the native language of the country. How do you deal
> > with the Safety issues of the translation of the HMI? How is this
> > usually done? Is there a standard/accepted way?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Myriam.
>
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