[SystemSafety] What Tesla says about its autopilot

[paul_e.bennett at topmail.co.uk]

I think that the 'drunk while in charge' can apply if you have your car keys in your
possession, even if you are nowhere near the car. Some pub landlords will take
charge of the vehicle keys for the driver, allowing them to collect the next day.

On 04/12/2018 at 6:29 PM, "Steve Tockey" <Steve.Tockey at construx.com> wrote:
>
>While not exactly the same situation, it does seem like this case 
>can be
>used to establish some kind of precedent:
>
>https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tesla-autopilot-driver-
>motorway
>-m1-nottingham-a8326911.html
>
>Headline: ³Tesla driver caught turning on autopilot and leaving 
>driver¹s
>seat on motorway²
>
>
>And, later,
>
>https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-43934504
>
>Headline: ³Tesla driver banned for M1 autopilot seat-switch²
>
>The driver was, quote ³. . . disqualified for 18 months and must 
>do 100
>hours of unpaid work.
>He was also told to pay the Crown Prosecution Service costs of 
>£1,800.²
>
>
> The driver was not drunk in this case (stupid, yes, but not 
>drunk). One
>can only imagine that the penalties in the UK for driving in 
>Autopilot
>mode while drunk would be at least this severe.
>
>
>‹ steve
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: systemsafety <systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-
>bielefeld.de>
>on behalf of Olwen Morgan <olwen at phaedsys.com>
>Date: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:18 AM
>To: "systemsafety at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de"
><systemsafety at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de>
>Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] What Tesla says about its autopilot
>
>
>On 04/12/2018 06:17, Peter Bernard Ladkin wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> As the article notes, it is not the first time that someone too
>> inebriated to drive legally has climbed into his Tesla and 
>turned on
>> the autopilot.
>
><snip>
>
>It occurred to me that UK law already has this covered. The 
>offence is
>not *driving* while drunk but *being in charge of a vehicle* while
>drunk. I'd expect anyone trying this in the UK to get an immediate
>driving ban if not a custodial sentence. AI looks sure to create 
>some
>interesting case law. I'd be quite happy to see a few "hanging 
>judges"
>hear cases like this one.
>
>Olwen
>
>
>
>
>
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Paul E. Bennett IEng MIET
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