[SystemSafety] Autonomously Driven Car Kills Pedestrian
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Tue Mar 20 12:46:15 CET 2018
BBC news coverage in the UK included footage of the car (or it could be ‘a UBER autonomous vehicle – not definitive that this one was the one involved in the accident, but implied), and a bent pedal-cycle.
Other reports included earlier in this stream have declared that reports that a cycle was involved are incorrect.
It seems as ever we have insufficient/conflicting information in the immediate aftermath of an accident.
It seems sensible to restrict our hypotheses to the general case (e.g. the quotes of Missy Cummings) rather than jumping to conclusions of this specific case until some real facts are established.
Best regards
Phil
From: systemsafety <systemsafety-bounces at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de> On Behalf Of Dick
Sent: 20 March 2018 11:37
To: C. Michael Holloway <c.m.holloway at nasa.gov>
Cc: systemsafety at lists.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
Subject: Re: [SystemSafety] Autonomously Driven Car Kills Pedestrian
Yesterday there were over 100 people killed in traffic accidents in the US
This is the only one to receive ore than local coverage- if that
As for Michael's comment there are a lot of "experts" providing renta-quotes.
But the local police chief says something that aligns with Andrew
The San Francisco Chronicle late on Monday reported that Tempe Police Chief Sylvia Moir said that from viewing videos taken from the vehicle "it's very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode (autonomous or human-driven) based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway."
Moir told the Chronicle, "I suspect preliminarily it appears that the Uber would likely not be at fault in this accident," but she did not rule out that charges could be filed against the operator in the Uber vehicle, the paper reported.
On 20 Mar 2018, at 12:19, C. Michael Holloway <c.m.holloway at nasa.gov <mailto:c.m.holloway at nasa.gov> > wrote:
On 2018-03-20 (07.00.27), andrew at andrewbanks.com <mailto:andrew at andrewbanks.com> wrote:
>From first reports, seems more of a case of "pedestrian walks out in front of car, and gets run over"
The autonomous aspect appears not relevant?
The reports that I have read do not even hint that the case is likely one in which the pedestrian would be deemed at fault. Of course, Uber and other driverless car zealots will try to make that case. I believe, and hope, they will fail.
Excellent quotes in this story from the Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2018/03/19/uber-halts-autonomous-vehicle-testing-after-a-pedestrian-is-struck/
'Missy Cummings, a robotics expert at Duke University who has been critical of the swift rollout of driverless technology, said the computer-vision systems for self-driving cars are “deeply flawed” and can be “incredibly brittle,” particularly in unfamiliar circumstances.
'Companies have not been required by the federal government to prove that their robotic driving systems are safe. “We’re not holding them to any standards right now,” Cummings said, arguing that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration should provide real supervision.'
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All the best,
C. Michael Holloway (cMh)
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