[SystemSafety] Autonomously Driven Car Kills Pedestrian

[Ug Free]

I think you minimize the talent of the lawyers that a company like Uber can afford to appoint...

Regards,

Hugues 

> On 24 Mar 2018, at 01:03, Matthew Squair <mattsquair at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think Uber will come unglued in civil court.
> 
> If say the driver is legally deemed to not be in direct control but ‘supervising’ by the court then Uber is still liable for devising a method of supervision of an unsafe device that demonstrably doesn’t work, and it could be argued they could have reasonably known this in the circumstances*. If the argument turns that the driver is solely the culpable agent then as he’s also a Uber employee/contractor they’re still responsible for his actions. So, which ever way it turns Uber will carry the can, at least in a civil prosecution which is where this will get thrashed out I’d guess. 
> 
> ‘Move fast and break things’ indeed…
> 
> *As the conversation on this thread would indicate. 
> 
>> On 24 March 2018 at 4:16:49 am, Peter Bernard Ladkin (ladkin at causalis.com) wrote:
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>> On 2018-03-23 17:40 , Michael Jackson wrote: 
>> > 
>> > So the responsibility in overseeing autonomous driving is worse than that of an old-fashioned 
>> > driving instructor in a dual-control car, teaching an untrusted learner—you can’t even order 
>> > the software to slow down: in short, it is far more demanding and stressful than driving the 
>> > car yourself. 
>> Spot on, as usual. 
>> 
>> Woods and Sarter, in their seminal study of pilots using A320 automation, found it was worse than 
>> that. When the situation got odd, rather than cutting out the automation and taking control ("first, 
>> fly the airplane"), they found the crew inclined to try to debug the automation. 
>> 
>> PBL 
>> 
>> Prof. Peter Bernard Ladkin, Bielefeld, Germany 
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