[SystemSafety] Risk .... again

[Fenn, Jane (UK)]

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Having had a partner who was a Forensic Psychologist, working in the prison service, rehabilitating convicted sex offenders, I take more store by his point of view which was that most were 'treatable' and only a tiny minority represented what the tabloid press would call 'pure evil' and beyond hope.

The attitude that 'men can never change' is precisely the excuse most people, (not just men), use to not even bothering to try - 'boys will be boys'.  They said the same thing in the past about societal acceptance of drunk driving, wearing a seatbelt and smoking, but look where we are now.  The public largely accepting of laws and actively supporting their enforcement.  No, we haven't 100% stopped drunk driving, but this risk of encountering a drunk driver is perceived to have gone down.  (Quite frankly, I don't have time to research the actual rates and it's often the perception of risk that is more restricting on quality of life than the actual figures).

Although I find your quote utterly patronising, and, I suspect, intentionally so.... but for the benefit of the rest of the people on the list, women are doing a huge amount already, whether you are aware of it or not, but it is predominantly men that need to apply the peer pressure needed for cultural change.  Men that need to pull their friends up when they make sexist comments or touch women inappropriately, etc, etc, in scenarios and environments to which we have no access.

Jane

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Thanks all
I'm encouraged by the reaction to my post. If you've a mind to drill down ...

The rape incident is described here by SCEGGS Head of School (note the hand wringing, questions and absence of solutions):
https://bit.ly/3y5qw1L

For the stout hearted, the 4000 words on risk management I sent to SCEGGS Head of School see:
https://bit.ly/3SrqpFV

Gird your loins. The SCEGGS Head of School response is at the end. The engineering and educational silos remain safe from cross contamination of ideas ... apparently.

I'll leave you with Kant.
 Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made.

The notion that the male population of the planet can be trained to respect women I think is fancifull.
Too much crooked timber. Better to take preventive action. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try educating our young men. I'm just waiting for the hand wringing to stop so we can start.

Alfred Deakin (Australia's second prime minister) put it well


What, wailing still? What wouldst thou have life be?
Others, more tired, are silent - thou canst sing.

Forget thyself - let song suffice for thee; Thy hands were made to use and not to ring.
Must thou possess a sunny waveless sea.
Untroubled atmospheres and tireless wing?

Cheers
Les

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Les Chambers

les at chambers.com.au

+61 (0)412 648 992


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