<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Just by coincidence, noticed this in the news today:<input name="virtru-metadata" type="hidden" value="{"email-policy":{"state":"closed","expirationUnit":"days","disableCopyPaste":false,"disablePrint":false,"disableForwarding":false,"enableNoauth":false,"persistentProtection":false,"expandedWatermarking":false,"expires":false,"isManaged":false},"attachments":{},"compose-id":"15","compose-window":{"secure":false}}"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><a href="https://simpleflying.com/alitalia-a320-tail-strike-passenger-imbalance/">https://simpleflying.com/alitalia-a320-tail-strike-passenger-imbalance/</a></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>Alvery</div></blockquote></div><br><div class="gmail_quote" style=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 at 14:21, Driscoll, Kevin <<a href="mailto:kevin.driscoll@honeywell.com">kevin.driscoll@honeywell.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">> W&B calculations on commercial aircraft are an example of a critical process<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I wonder how well that is internalized and not just “known” by the people that create, maintain, and use the W&B calculation tools and processes. (“Someone once told me that W&B calculations are critical to safe flight.”) I can see that
easily being lost when all W&B calculations are done in backroom computers at an airline’s operation center, along with a lot of other non-critical airline data processing. I once saw all NWA planes in the take-off que at SEA get pulled to the side (~90%
of the dozen of planes in the que) because their W&B computer (in TN?) went down.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Memory is a little fuzzy and no doubt others may have better. There was an unauthorised use of a spreadsheet to do v1/v2 calculations for an E3 AWACS aircraft some many years ago I believe that there was an issue with the V1 speed as
rotation at too low a speed meant that V2 couldn’t be reached. It ran out of runway. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Peter Bernard Ladkin <<a href="mailto:ladkin@causalis.com" target="_blank">ladkin@causalis.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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On 2021-04-13 02:02 , Bruce Hunter wrote:<br>
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> The interesting thing was that this was indirectly a result of updated software errors in an update
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> to the off-board load balancing computer on a PC (ALPAC). Great lesson that dangerous software
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> failures may not just occur on integrated systems but on separate ancillary equipment as well. You
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> really need to check whether safety functions are dependent on external <br>
systems reliability as well <br>
You sure do.<br>
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W&B calculations on commercial aircraft are an example of a critical process in which data and their
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accuracy are key. Not only is the SCSC Data Safety Guidance relevant, but <br>
so are other routine <br>
cross-checks well known in computer science.<br>
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After an Emirates A340 narrowly avoided becoming a horrendous accident on <br>
takeoff from Melbourne in <br>
2009, Bernd Sieker and I wrote a short note explaining how such data safety procedures, input and
<br>
processing, could be improved. (It seems we sent it to HESSD, but I am not sure HESSD was held that
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year.)<br>
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A decade on, trivial design/programming errors are apparently still making it into such
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safety-related software.<br>
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