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<p>There are several production cars available with ALKS. Tesla has
had it for a few years. My Ioniq 5 has it, along with automatic
lane changing if I command it using the indicators. It claims to
be Level 2 autonomy. AFAIK it has no maximum speed, but it
complains if I don't keep my hands on the steering wheel. So I
guess the certification is indeed all abut whether you are allowed
to take your hands off the wheel.<br>
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UN rule 157/ALKS features are often "traffic jam pilot."<br>
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The presumption, at least in discussions I've seen to date, is
that the driver will only engage it in traffic congestion because
they'd otherwise be in too much of a hurry to let it keep working
in free flowing traffic. I suppose the general idea is that at
slower speeds in a traffic jam you're less likely to see crazy
unstructured things happen too suddenly for the car to react. (Not
necessarily endorsing this; just summarizing.)<br>
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Honda also released an ALKS feature (Japan is said to use
essentially the same standard), but has produced at most 100 pilot
production vehicles.<br>
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I interpret this as baby steps to deploying highly automated
vehicles.<br>
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Phil<br>
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<div>It reminds me of the queue assistant feature on my BMW.
It will steer the car automatically, but only if the car is
on a motorway, its speed is less than 35 mph and both the
driver's hands are on the steering wheel. You might think
it could be useful in road works, but no, it complains the
lanes are too narrow. I did manage to use the
queue assistant feature in rush hour traffic on the M42 the
other day, though the amount of steering input required when
driving at less than 35 mph on a motorway is minimal in any
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<div>The main difference between this MB system and the BMW
system seems to be that the driver is allowed to take their
hands off the wheel.<br>
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<div>I suspect these systems are being added so that the
manufacturers can gain experience that can be applied to
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<div dir="ltr">"Autobahn-similar" probably refers to the
relative lack of junctions or pedestrians, and the
presence of a central barrier - the car just has to
drive slower than other road users, like a certain
supermarket's lorries in the UK.<br>
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newspaper this morning that Mercedes-Benz have got the
worldwide first "type <br>
certificate" for self-driving systems. It is called a
"Drive Pilot"; it follows UN rule 157, and it <br>
allows hands-free driving at a maximum of 69kph along
"autobahn-similar roads". The article says <br>
this covers quite a few Autobahnen, but I can't see how
this can be -- the only 60kph limits on <br>
Autobahnen are in narrow lanes past road works.<br>
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"Type certificate" means that the German road vehicle
authority has issued a permit for its use on <br>
German roads. It will be in the S-class Merc and the
electric Pendant EQS.<br>
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