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Most of my expert witness testimony is in volume 5 of the phase two report released yesterday.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Chief Scientific Adviser | NTA/CSA Office <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Mobile: <span dir="ltr" style="text-decoration: underline;">07922 576 926</span> | <a href="mailto:csa@dsit.gov.uk">csa@dsit.gov.uk</a><br>
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<a href="http://www.gov.uk/dsit">www.gov.uk/dsit</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/sciTechgovuk">https://twitter.com/sciTechgovuk</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 5 Sep 2024, at 14:04, Prof. Dr. Peter Bernard Ladkin <ladkin@causalis.com> wrote:<br>
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<span>So the Grenfell Inquiry report is now out. 1,700pp of what I take to be distressing reading.</span><br>
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<span>I recall there was some bickering over the appointment of Sir Martin Moore-Bick to lead the inquiry.</span><br>
<span>But the UK has a venerable tradition of judge-led inquiries into safety (Piper Alpha, Ladbroke</span><br>
<span>Grove, King's Cross fire) and Sir Martin seems to have added to it. His words on release of the</span><br>
<span>report were uncompromising. This Guardian comment by Peter Apps, a housing expert and journalist,</span><br>
<span>sums up the scope of the enterprise well</span><br>
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<span>I get particularly distressed when work I have done turns out to be useless. Here were entire</span><br>
<span>engineering companies (Kingspan, Celotex, Arconic) who (Sir Martin tells us) knew they had products</span><br>
<span>which fire safety people would deem to be unsafe, and who sold them anyway while attempting to</span><br>
<span>manage the PR. Even after the fatal Lakanal House fire in 2006, the "building fire safety culture"</span><br>
<span>continued apparently as it was, until 2017 and Grenfell. In this kind of culture, our skills are</span><br>
<span>useless. Because the industrials involved and their clients (city council agencies) simply appear</span><br>
<span>not to have cared much, if at all. And, in safety, you need the people involved to care.</span><br>
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<span>I find this barely fathomable. This, in a land in which, 50 years ago, Parliament enacted HSWA 1974.</span><br>
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<span>As people may remember, we had some discussion here in 2017 at the time of the fire. People may be</span><br>
<span>aware that accident and incident analysis is one of my specialties. I don't think I had ever</span><br>
<span>encountered a situation in which pretty much everything I looked at in the way of safety in those</span><br>
<span>first few days turned out to be a chimera. This was not Piper Alpha; this was not Ladbroke Grove;</span><br>
<span>this was not King's Cross; this was in another league entirely.</span><br>
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<span>It requires governments to change such a culture. Which means, first and foremost, the will to do so</span><br>
<span>must be there (I understand Sir Martin has shown that it wasn't). Let us hope it now is.</span><br>
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<span>PBL</span><br>
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<span>Prof. Dr. Peter Bernard Ladkin</span><br>
<span>Causalis Limited/Causalis IngenieurGmbH, Bielefeld, Germany</span><br>
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